pacificIT (Public Skype Chat)

Go to bottom (older postings)

The Skype Conversation

York, Dan: 2009-01-05 18:55:23: FYI, as I've mentioned here, I've started doing a video podcast called "Emerging Tech Talk" at http://blogs.voxeo.com/ett/ - I've now also set up a Skype public chat at: http://tinyurl.com/8y5pnz
.kristopher tate: 2009-01-03 10:13:29: hmm
Daniel Chapman: 2009-01-03 09:25:50: I can see you in there
Daniel Chapman: 2009-01-03 09:25:36: ?
Daniel Chapman: 2009-01-03 09:25:34: tech talk japan
.kristopher tate: 2009-01-03 07:33:19: I seem to have accidently left it or something
.kristopher tate: 2009-01-03 07:33:04: hey, can someone drop me into the other chat?
Robert Sanzalone: 2009-01-02 10:10:16: Thanks everyone for your wonderful New Years wishes. On behalf of pacificIT I personally would like to thank everyone for your contributions and discussions. At this point I have every hope to keep this discussion going here and look forward to your opinions, contributions, news tips, and input. I'm really proud of this community and look forward to even more growth and success in 2009.

May the coming year bring you, your family and friends much health, wealth, happiness and laughter!

All the best in 2009!!!
(party)(d)(d)(party)
Robert Sanzalone: 2009-01-02 10:06:39: Whoa!
ANDREW: 2009-01-01 15:52:13: cool
Rebecca Chow: 2009-01-01 13:19:58: really cool
Mona N: 2009-01-01 09:30:20: みなさん、あけおめ〜　良いお年を☆
.kristopher tate: 2009-01-01 04:27:37: 明けましておめでとうございます！(bow)(bow)(bow)(bow)(bow)(bow)(bow)(bow)(bow)(bow)(bow)(bow)(bow)(bow)(bow)(bow)(bow)
(bow)(handshake)(handshake)(handshake)(bow)(handshake)(handshake)(handshake)(bow)(handshake)(handshake)(handshake)(bow)(handshake)(handshake)(handshake)(bow)
(bow)(bow)(bow)(handshake)(bow)(handshake)(bow)(handshake)(bow)(handshake)(bow)(handshake)(bow)(handshake)(bow)(handshake)(bow)
(bow)(handshake)(handshake)(handshake)(bow)(handshake)(bow)(handshake)(bow)(handshake)(bow)(handshake)(bow)(handshake)(handshake)(handshake)(bow)
(bow)(handshake)(bow)(bow)(bow)(handshake)(bow)(handshake)(bow)(handshake)(bow)(handshake)(bow)(bow)(bow)(handshake)(bow)
(bow)(handshake)(handshake)(handshake)(bow)(handshake)(handshake)(handshake)(bow)(handshake)(handshake)(handshake)(bow)(handshake)(handshake)(handshake)(bow)
(bow)(bow)(bow)(bow)(bow)(bow)(bow)(bow)(bow)(bow)(bow)(bow)(bow)(bow)(bow)(bow)(bow)
Phil Wolff | Skype Journal | Oakland, California: 2008-12-31 17:59:34: (sun)
(sun)
(sun)
(sun)
(sun)
(sun)
(sun)
.kristopher tate: 2008-12-24 14:24:10: http://reader.livedoor.com/…/subscribers.html
.kristopher tate: 2008-12-24 14:24:08: found it
.kristopher tate: 2008-12-24 14:22:44: maybe it was top subscribers or something like that
.kristopher tate: 2008-12-24 14:22:30: I remember stumbling on a site that shows blog ranking for japan
.kristopher tate: 2008-12-24 14:22:10: evening all
Allan Herman (CVM Inc): 2008-12-24 02:04:43: I don't get the opportunity to get on here like I used to but for what it si worth, I prefer skype and this group. While I do spend alot of time on twitter this forum is my grass roots home.
Stephen Shores: 2008-12-20 13:42:46: Also now on Friendbook, I mean Facefeed....oh yeah, Facebook. http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1621706324
Stephen Shores: 2008-12-20 13:35:49: Slightly off topic: Got a Wii for an early Christmas present. If anyone here would like to exchange friend codes, let me know via direct messsage.
Hudson Barton: 2008-12-20 13:01:56: is wondering whether enterprise-level social networking and micro-blogging services are a good idea.
Hudson Barton: 2008-12-20 12:53:59: Powce is Dead; Long Live 'Motion' http://www.pcmag.com/…/0,2817,2337079,00.asp
York, Dan: 2008-12-18 21:59:19: Minor details about semi-colons versus colons....
York, Dan: 2008-12-18 21:59:08: Ha... didn't type the show URL correctly! It's http://blogs.voxeo.com/ett/
York, Dan: 2008-12-18 21:58:20: FYI, since I know a lot of folks in here like to chase bright shiny objects related to communication technology, I thought I'd let you know that I've launched a new periodic video podcast called "Emerging Tech Talk" that is about new/emerging communication technology.

The show is at http;//blogs.voxeo.com/ett/ and a description of what the show is about is at http://bit.ly/180l1

Its not really Voxeo-related, per se... it's more a video platform for me to talk about emerging tech topics that are of interest to me and that I would normally write about on my blogs.

Anyway, the show is out there and subscribable if you are interested. And if any of you are interested in being on the show at some point, I'm always open to talking about that.
York, Dan: 2008-12-18 12:50:04: Perhaps after being dormant for so long the huge upswing in traffic made him see this chat but perhaps not realize what the chat is normally about.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-12-18 03:20:33: Not sure. I sent him a message so hopefully he'll let me know what's up. He's a pretty active guy but he also likes being plugged in to the discussion so it's a bit surprising.
andre_golard: 2008-12-18 03:19:25: Did he drop out? Any reason?
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-12-18 03:10:03: Sad to see the loss of Kris Krug in this discussion. Certainly one of the biggest mover and shaker in the Vancouver tech community - and a great guy.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-12-17 16:18:11: Thanks Daniel. Appreciate your support. Good luck with the interview and let us know how it goes.
York, Dan: 2008-12-17 16:16:38: They work great... very much like these chats or an IRC room.

But... they lack the persistent nature of Skype chats.

Depending upon the Jabber client you have, you do get search... and history while you are in the room... but you don't get the chat history while you were offline as you do in Skype chats.
York, Dan: 2008-12-17 16:15:24: Usually for IETF meetings and such.
York, Dan: 2008-12-17 16:15:14: Julian, I use Jabber group chats all the time
Julian Bond: 2008-12-17 16:12:57: And then there's IRC.
Julian Bond: 2008-12-17 16:12:46: I've never seen a group jabber chat. I kind of think it's been in the spec for a long time, but I've never actually seen one work.
Daniel Chapman: 2008-12-17 16:02:52: that one bit of psychology is your biggest enemy when introducing new technology
Daniel Chapman: 2008-12-17 16:02:29: but skype I am comfortable with and it adds no stress to use it, even if somethingelse is better
Daniel Chapman: 2008-12-17 16:01:46: I am certainly not terrified by using something new, but it was a little bit of extra stress on top, trying to work out what it could and couldnt do while trying to have an important conversation
Daniel Chapman: 2008-12-17 16:01:07: I can understand because i was forced to use ichat today for a job interview
Daniel Chapman: 2008-12-17 16:00:42: and moving to a different chat client, simple as it is technically can be terrifying for people who fear change
Daniel Chapman: 2008-12-17 16:00:17: people like their comfort zones
Daniel Chapman: 2008-12-17 16:00:12: and Habits are probably the biggest factor new technology changes
Daniel Chapman: 2008-12-17 16:00:00: just as the other Dan said, even if the other lane is clear, if there isn't a really good reason to use it, then it's not worth the pain of breaking habits
Daniel Chapman: 2008-12-17 15:59:24: that clears the lanes for the ships
Daniel Chapman: 2008-12-17 15:59:17: soemoen needs to be the ice breaker
Daniel Chapman: 2008-12-17 15:59:11: Don't feel too down Robert
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-12-17 15:51:25: I still haven't given up on the idea SOMEONE will create an interface such as Jabber4Twitter which will connect all those great apps out there with Twitter... even on the iPhone.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-12-17 15:47:34: http://tweetwasters.com/pacificIT
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-12-17 15:45:30: Heh.
TheTechMonkey: 2008-12-17 15:44:43: yes, Tsu is a city located in Mie prefecture, right next Suzuka City all about an hour drive from Nagoya!
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-12-17 15:42:21: reminds TheTechMonkey the Internation nature of pacificIT... though HE KNOWS what a Tsu is
TheTechMonkey: 2008-12-17 15:37:12: I'd clear out a 100 a day normally, but the Tsu location needs the electricity up'd from 30amp to 50 or more amps, only had the power go out 3x yesterday, not fun!
TheTechMonkey: 2008-12-17 15:35:56: it has its moments
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-12-17 15:34:42: ... you love it!
TheTechMonkey: 2008-12-17 15:34:21: think I will be bringing my work home with me this weekend
TheTechMonkey: 2008-12-17 15:34:10: well thats it for me tonight, got 500+ computers to work on tomorrow, another 500+ to pick up next week... fun fun!
TheTechMonkey: 2008-12-17 15:31:50: but maybe with holiday season, we will see it surpass the 15mil mark
TheTechMonkey: 2008-12-17 15:31:14: I think this could be a result of the popularity of the online communities.... since you can chat within those
York, Dan: 2008-12-17 15:30:32: I don't think it has yet... it's been flirting with 15 mil for a bit now.
TheTechMonkey: 2008-12-17 15:30:19: ?
TheTechMonkey: 2008-12-17 15:30:06: has the number gone over 15mil yet for "people online"
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-12-17 15:29:50: That's true. I remember when you blogged about that during Skype's down time and how people were turning to alternatives. The same was true for Twitter... thus identi.ca and others.
TheTechMonkey: 2008-12-17 15:29:09: well true, other than clients for of course Windows, but also Linux (ubuntu for instance) and Mac
York, Dan: 2008-12-17 15:28:50: If Skype were broken... or if it were experiencing outages, the "threshold of pain" would be high enough to cause people to seek other communication venues. Right now the threshold of pain is too low for people to really invest their time and energy in integrating something else into their workflow.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-12-17 15:28:17: I agree Dan. The CLIENT for Skype has stayed rock solid. The platform for Skype has just lagged.
TheTechMonkey: 2008-12-17 15:27:27: Skype for personal use and professional use, all good for me
York, Dan: 2008-12-17 15:27:25: The challenge is that moving a "community" is extremely hard... especially if there is no overwhelmingly compelling reason to do so.

While there are issues with Skype groupchats (like you can't get them on an iPhone!), they do work - and generally work well.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-12-17 15:27:21: I think I'm just going to be a little more careful and define more clearly the "true communication" side and the "sandbox" side.
TheTechMonkey: 2008-12-17 15:26:36: I myself don't like using several apps if I don't have to
York, Dan: 2008-12-17 15:26:26: It is.
TheTechMonkey: 2008-12-17 15:26:14: its a good idea to be trying out the new technologies
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-12-17 15:25:31: Thanks Dan. I must admit, for the most part it didn't really work for me as well though I did have some interesting conversations with people while I was riding the Yamanote Line in Tokyo.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-12-17 15:24:46: The whole experience has left me quite let down when trying new technologies and with a bittersweet lesson of being careful when suggesting things to the community I respect and interact with.
York, Dan: 2008-12-17 15:24:01: Skype is.
York, Dan: 2008-12-17 15:23:57: I tried the Chatterous room with you, Robert, but it just wasn't part of my daily workflow.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-12-17 15:23:32: The developer during the late summer and early fall came in saying "big things were about to happen" now that "something was altogether" (VC funding? a new cappuccino machine in their office?) BUT the reality was there was a "different" UI put in place with different colors. Almost no new features I could see. Nothing.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-12-17 15:21:51: I'm defining "disaster" as a platform with a lot of promise, has a small but growing community, has a few features which are appealing but overall does not compete well in the bigger picture.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-12-17 15:20:48: That being said, Chatterous turned out to be much for of a disaster than I expected it would be.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-12-17 15:20:29: BUT
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-12-17 15:20:23: This certainly isn't an endorsement of this Skype forum which I still have A LOT of complaints about.. first and foremost is that it is NOT scaling into other devices as a platform. I would much prefer seeing Jabber integrated with or competed against rather than just staying the same as always since 2004.
TheTechMonkey: 2008-12-17 15:19:33: now how about a true port to iPhone of the Skype client, that would be sweet
TheTechMonkey: 2008-12-17 15:18:39: once Skype is longer releasing, updating and keeping up with users needs, then it will be time for a change, but when that happens, something better will already be available
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-12-17 15:18:09: I even was questioned on the move in this blog post:

http://www.blahblahtech.com/…/of-technophiles-social-networks-te&hellip

... a post I liked at first then later started to question on a few different fronts.
TheTechMonkey: 2008-12-17 15:17:27: but yes true, Skype is still keeping up with the times, compuserve was behind the times, along with good ol' fashioned home BBS
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-12-17 15:16:13: Others, which you may take a chance on, aren't.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-12-17 15:16:03: Some things are worth the change.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-12-17 15:15:54: Well.. that's something which is ALWAYS questionable in this business. What if we said that about CompuServe?
TheTechMonkey: 2008-12-17 15:15:52: ie: Skype
TheTechMonkey: 2008-12-17 15:15:15: change isn't always welcomed I suppose, especially when one platform has already been tried, tested and so forth
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-12-17 15:14:12: Interestingly, very few in this discussion moved over.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-12-17 15:13:55: Also, if you've been in this chat for a while you can scroll above and see at one point I was on the brink of closing this chat down in favor of the Chatterous service.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-12-17 15:13:08: Over the course of oh.. the past year almost, I've experimented using Chatterous.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-12-17 15:12:43: Well, this is interesting.
Daniel Chapman: 2008-12-02 07:18:28: hi lance
Fumiko Ito: 2008-12-02 06:03:06: Hello, Lance.
Phil Wolff | Skype Journal | Oakland, California: 2008-12-02 06:01:54: Howdy, Lance.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-12-02 05:54:47: I would like to welcome Lance to the pacificIT chat. Hey Lance! (wave)
Hudson Barton: 2008-11-24 20:44:51: (yawn)
York, Dan: 2008-11-24 19:27:19: I'm showing 14,711,133 people online right now.
Julian Bond: 2008-11-22 19:12:29: A simple twist of fate led to me re-reading the Skype Blog post about breaking 14m online. 20 Oct. So how close are we to 15m?
Phil Wolff | Skype Journal | Oakland, California: 2008-11-21 15:59:33: early grade school: abacus and slide rules, including circular slide rules.

later in grade school: talking to the RAND Institute's computer at a friend's father's house via remote terminal and acoustic coupler (thwock of rubber as big handsets went in or out).

in junior high: Univac with punch cards (card sorters, hanging chads, rubber bands to organize your code), paper tape and teletype keyboard machines, and using cobol, dartmouth basic, and early fortran to solve algebraic problems and make Snoopy on a surfboard printout on big line printers. Kowabunga, Snoopy!

i go to events at the computer history museum in Mountain View, California, and it's strange to see the gadgets of my childhood on display.
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-21 14:32:22: yeah likewise
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-21 14:31:05: us robotics sportster 33.6k ftw.
Hudson Barton: 2008-11-21 14:12:09: iPhone 2.2 update worked fine for me.... I think.
Julian Bond: 2008-11-21 13:54:33: Which leads to a Skype annoyance. You can't put Hayes pause commands into Skype phone numbers to get you past internal DTMF sequences.
Julian Bond: 2008-11-21 13:53:13: I also worked through the Oct '87 crash and the '92 UK crash. So the current financial crisis doesn't feel like anything new.
Julian Bond: 2008-11-21 13:52:26: Right about then I had Borland Sidekick and a Hayes modem auto-dialling phone numbers from my phone book. Something I still haven't got back to now.
Julian Bond: 2008-11-21 13:51:27: Yup. Old farts history! I flunked the Uni Computing course because it was rows of teleprinters in a basement white washed room which was too much for this old hippy (man). 5 years later I taught myself on a Sinclair ZX81, followed by a BBC B. That plus a cobol course led to a special projects computing job where I became the local PC expert when the IBM PC turned up. Which led to managing the first 1000 PCs and the biggest Token Ring LAN in Europe in Merrill Lynch London. We wrote all the utilities for that setup in Turbo-Pascal.
York, Dan: 2008-11-21 13:21:48: iPhone users get some new toys today in release 2.2 of the software: http://www.engadget.com/…/iphone-2-2-firmware-update-availab&hellip/
York, Dan: 2008-11-21 13:07:23: For me, in something like ~1985, Pascal was the first major programming language I learned beyond BASIC (which I had been using for years).
York, Dan: 2008-11-21 13:06:18: Julian - Wow... Borland Pascal! Now there's something I haven't heard about in years!
Gabor Szabo: 2008-11-21 06:50:25: telnic.org is working now
Hudson Barton: 2008-11-20 15:46:51: You can't open the home page of telnic.org?
Julian Bond: 2008-11-20 15:43:46: pdf. ugh!
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-20 14:39:17: wierd
Hudson Barton: 2008-11-20 14:38:49: (wasntme)
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-20 14:36:37: Firefox can't find the server at www.telnic.org.
Hudson Barton: 2008-11-20 14:32:06: http://www.telnic.org/index.html
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-20 14:27:22: can't open that for some reason
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-20 14:27:17: what are they?
Hudson Barton: 2008-11-20 14:06:19: Top 10 Reasons to buy YourCompany.tel http://www.telnic.org/…/Top10ReasonsToBuy.pdf Makes sense to me.
Julian Bond: 2008-11-19 17:55:09: I probably should see this as an opportunity to learn python desktop programming. Or something. Maybe next year. In the mean time, Twype.exe needs a minor tweak, that it's probably not going to get now.
Julian Bond: 2008-11-19 17:52:28: Feeling sad. My new laptop means Vista. Vista means my old copy of Delphi no longer works. AFAIK there's no personal (free) version any more. And I've just realised I've been using Borland Pascal for more than 20 years now.
Tris Hussey: 2008-11-19 07:57:15: Thank you!
Fumiko Ito Sands: 2008-11-19 07:54:52: Happy Birthday, Tris.
Rick Martin: 2008-11-16 14:27:54: @Susan Le Clair Elgg is new, but does look quite promising. Was reading something about them a while back (http://is.gd/7JVt)
Julian Bond: 2008-11-16 11:38:29: says hi!
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-16 09:18:29: Big welcome to Julian Bashore of Nagoya. Welcome to pacificIT chat Julian. (wave)
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-16 09:16:18: Adding a second Julian here...
Susan Le Clair: 2008-11-16 03:16:33: yes, I want to make a social network...I'll check out Ning...out of the list I had, I'm seriously looking at Elgg...ever heard of it?
Rick Martin: 2008-11-16 02:38:25: if you want to make a social network, Ning is probably a good/easy solution
Rick Martin: 2008-11-16 02:37:19: what are you trying to do with this software?
Susan Le Clair: 2008-11-16 02:05:13: I found this link -- anyone have any input on what is good, and what isn't? http://www.vivalogo.com/…/open-source-social-networking-soft&hellip
Susan Le Clair: 2008-11-16 01:42:28: anyone know of any free web 2.0 software -- for someone with little or no programming experience?
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-15 02:19:37: (y)
Susan Le Clair: 2008-11-15 02:18:34: (bow)I also just found some links to potential free tools on google...
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-15 02:18:08: your welcome then
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-15 02:18:00: (y)
Susan Le Clair: 2008-11-15 02:16:40: now I know that Joomla and Drupal both can do what I want, so it was helpful.
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-15 02:15:54: I didn't give much that was useful though srry.
Susan Le Clair: 2008-11-15 02:15:20: thanks for your assistance, Daniel.
Susan Le Clair: 2008-11-15 02:15:11: sure, I'll try that. :)
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-15 02:14:47: google?
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-15 02:14:45: sorry, never heard of it
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-15 02:14:36: ok
Susan Le Clair: 2008-11-15 02:14:27: I guess I could do that, sure...I just heard that there is a "free tool" for wordpress that I wouldn't have to do it manually. That's what I was asking the chat room for...
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-15 02:14:13: there may be a way to include off site links in your menu, in which case do that instead of editing your template
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-15 02:13:24: you will need to write the pages in html, then edit your wordpress template to put links to them (I think but I am not a big WP person)
Susan Le Clair: 2008-11-15 02:13:07: I have at least six sites using wordpress
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-15 02:12:53: ok,
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-15 02:12:36: but to my knowlege, it's not simple for a non programmer
Susan Le Clair: 2008-11-15 02:12:35: Before totally changing systems, I want to see if I can do this first, in wordpress...
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-15 02:12:16: technically yes you can
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-15 02:12:05: and you can have blog style pages and just static pages, and change what is in yoru side bar etc
Susan Le Clair: 2008-11-15 02:11:56: but I've heard that I can still have wordpress AND have non-blog pages...so that's why I asked.
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-15 02:11:48: I am most familiar with Joomla personally
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-15 02:11:31: Then I suggest moving to a CMS like Joomla or Drupal
Susan Le Clair: 2008-11-15 02:11:14: I also want to have different side bars on my pages, not the same ones on every page
Susan Le Clair: 2008-11-15 02:10:51: I want both -- I want the option to have content-only on at least one of my pages, with blog options for other pages -- not blog pages on every page
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-15 02:10:37: What are you trying to achieve
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-15 02:10:27: why do you want a flat HTML site? or don7t you?
Susan Le Clair: 2008-11-15 02:10:26: how so?
Susan Le Clair: 2008-11-15 02:10:18: I like not having to recreate something that's already created...
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-15 02:10:16: I think I am gettign confused
Susan Le Clair: 2008-11-15 02:10:03: exactly...
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-15 02:09:56: as they are designed for non programmers
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-15 02:09:49: if you aren't a programmer then that should be all the more reason to use a CMS or Blog Software
Susan Le Clair: 2008-11-15 02:09:25: I am not a programmer...
Susan Le Clair: 2008-11-15 02:09:03: so that's why I want the functionality of a wordpress site, but the option to just have flat html for at least one of my pages
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-15 02:08:45: Which CMS?
Susan Le Clair: 2008-11-15 02:08:43: yes...it is
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-15 02:08:42: ah ok
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-15 02:08:37: but a flat html site is a pain to maintain
Susan Le Clair: 2008-11-15 02:08:35: Yes, that's it...
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-15 02:08:26: if you are changing to a CMS then I understand
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-15 02:08:17: if you mean a flat html site
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-15 02:08:04: yes
Susan Le Clair: 2008-11-15 02:07:19: Is that the question?
Susan Le Clair: 2008-11-15 02:07:13: Why would I want to just have a regular website instead of a blog site?
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-15 01:25:53: why you want to do that I have no idea though
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-15 01:25:35: then cut and paste that into an html file
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-15 01:25:26: just do a 'view source'
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-15 01:25:18: no need for a tool
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-15 01:25:08: just flat html files?
Susan Le Clair: 2008-11-14 19:59:26: a "regular" non-blog website
Phil Wolff | Skype Journal | Oakland, California: 2008-11-14 19:30:10: um, what do you mean by normal, Susan?
Susan Le Clair: 2008-11-14 19:17:38: Howdy, folks....does anyone know what the "free tool" is to convert a wordpress blog site into a "normal" website? I've heard about it, just don't know what it is, where to find it? Help appreciated!
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-14 08:35:15: Dan, I'm interested, but a bit confused by the site. How do you get an iNum? Where's the application form? How much does it cost?
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-14 08:08:38: Welcome to pacificIT Mona! (wave)
Hudson Barton: 2008-11-13 14:56:34: For those people using "Twitter4Skype", yesterday was a down day. The server is back up again, but to get your twitter feeds running, you may need to reconnect with the server. To do that type "#on" in your Twitter4Skype chat.
Hudson Barton: 2008-11-11 17:45:36
York, Dan: 2008-11-11 16:26:44: Some of you may find the launch of "iNum" numbers interesting: http://blogs.voxeo.com/…/how-to-get-an-inum-a-global-phone-&hellip/
Jim Graham: 2008-11-11 16:15:05: sorry I missed all the comments yesterday
Jim Graham: 2008-11-11 16:14:57: thank you all ver y much
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-11 05:47:29: happy Bday
Allan Herman (CVM Inc): 2008-11-11 03:37:46: Yes indeed, HAPPY BIRTHDAY Jim
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 17:53:29: Happy Birthday to Jim Graham!
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 17:49:29: Hey Andrew. How did you find us?
ANDREW: 2008-11-10 17:40:26: bye
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 16:48:18: k
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:48:13: so never used it.
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:48:10: like i said damien is the best person to speak to i use MT not WP.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 16:47:48: Blog ID and End Point are hanging me up in Lifecast. My self hosted Wordpress blog has a Blog ID and End Point?
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:43:20: yeah posted with lifecast
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:43:17: http://www.sizemore.co.uk/…/what-we-do/
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 16:42:52: Wow. I think I saw someone referencing that earlier. I think it was Nik. VERY COOL stuff.
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:42:06: www.sizemore.co.uk wrote a whole piece on lifecast and posted it from his phone when they got access into reuters to film the PM of the uk - he sent the post from lifecast.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 16:41:40: Heh. I understand.
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:41:32: well i know...
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:41:26: dont look at me/sleepydog. too busy with my own projects.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 16:40:46: Also looking for someone.. ANYONE.. to come up with a Skype app on the iPhone which does groups. Seems to be the Holy Grail no one has come close to... even iSkoot.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 16:38:53: I just haven't found a good blogging app for the iPhone yet.. and I TRULY have tried them all. I really wanted to give this one a shot to see how it works out...ease of use, final look, etc.
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:38:10: saves user having to update the client everytime new features, services or api services are available. pretty neat.
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:37:36: now they have an inline ruby backend called rebloggr a lot of the work can be done away from the phone..
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:37:10: the idea was really a basic photos/text blogging tool - but now looking at different versions for social features bolted into it as well - obviously they dont want to overload the first version as people liked it because it was simply - we are in a small hardcore group of like 0.5% of the overall userbase so it makes no sense to add to the existing product.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 16:36:28: http://itunes.apple.com/…/viewSoftware?id=293129311
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 16:35:55: Was fetching the direct link to the iTunes store app
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 16:35:32: That's it..
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:35:26: not sure if ya got that
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:35:24: http://lifecast.sleepydog.net
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 16:34:30: Lifecast app... looking it up here...
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 16:32:47: Nik was saying earlier he also had some questions.. not sure if they were about the same thing.
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:32:24: http://lifecast.sleepydog.net
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:32:17: lite is the first free version and pro was going to be a paid for version but imo not enough options to make it a paid for pro version
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 16:32:07: Do you have a quick URL to share here for everyone who wants to take a look?
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:31:53: lots of reasons..
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 16:31:48: I see.
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:31:41: well pro was renamed..
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:31:30: you'll noticed when you setup an account it goes away to get "services" - that's the rebloggr part.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 16:31:29: For everyone else who has no idea what we are talking about.. this is for the Lifecast app on the iPhone. I see two free versions.. the Lite and the regular (haven't found one which says Pro on it). Check it out.
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:31:13: as in support for additional bolt on apis that can be rolled to a service instead of having to do lots of updates to the phone.
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:30:52: no reason it cannot do that now. it's been built to support that
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 16:30:32: Wow. That would be great... yes, that one works the best for me.
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:30:12: depends really if they want to go down that route. i think they want to keep it simple. but ping.fm is the obvious one to me.
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:29:53: i expect they will add services, ping.fm api support etc now..
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 16:29:52: Very cool. Will give it a shot.
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:29:39: instead of loading up the iphone with clutter it goes away now to a backend system to gather services..
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 16:29:25: Appreciate it! Will share how it goes through Tweets. I SO want this to work!
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:29:20: alrighty. these things should be able to be rolled out pretty quickly now the new backend system is in..
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 16:28:58: Cool. Will give it another shot and if it's not a go, I'll contact damien.
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:28:48: he's the one to know for sure.
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:28:36: if it does not it should.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 16:28:33: Thought so.
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:28:30: drop damien@sleepyk9.net an email.
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:28:22: be pretty stupid to only support wp on the official host.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 16:28:14: Oh? Was a no go for me so I thought it couldn't. Only Wordpress.com accounts.
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:27:55: it's only the auth.
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:27:48: i expect so
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 16:27:46: That may be the killer question there.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 16:27:34: First question: Does it work on a self hosted WP blog?
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:27:28: get satisfaction page. if you speak to damien he should help you out.
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:27:13: ok.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 16:27:11: I'm really interested getting Lifecast to work.
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:27:10: you already said.
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:27:02: np.
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:26:59: yeah ok
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 16:26:51: No. Sorry I couldn't connect earlier. Was Live Blogging Tokyo 2.0 meeting.
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:26:05: you get beta v1.2 yet from them... should be on the app store by now surely..
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:25:49: so did you get the lifecast thing sorted out?
Phil Campbell: 2008-11-10 16:25:48: hey robert..
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 16:20:50: says while sipping coffee in Nagoya, Japan.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 16:20:26: Totally understand!
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 16:20:20: Heh. No apology necessary!
Christine: 2008-11-10 16:20:10: we just try to bring Western internet development to Taiwan
Christine: 2008-11-10 16:19:50: sorry about the Mandarin writing
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 16:15:57: I can't understand Mandarin either... but I really enjoyed that interview. I chatted with Joi and asked him for an interview and he rushed away saying maybe later. Got an audio interview with Loic of Seesmic though.
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-10 16:15:31: recognise a couple of the Kanji though
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-10 16:15:23: pity I can't read Chinese
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-10 16:14:49: Chiliseed looks good
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 16:14:35: I see that. Very cool. Was thinking of pasting it into iphoneinjapan.com
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-10 16:14:00: no idea. but they are spot on with what needs fixing
Christine: 2008-11-10 16:13:46: Thanks, Robert!
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 16:13:18: Interesting site Daniel. Know who's behind http://pleasefixtheiphone.com ?
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 16:12:17: Yes. She came to Tokyo for the conference last week. Scored an EXCELLENT interview with Joi Ito. Check out her website http://thechiliseed.com
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-10 16:10:57: friend o yours Robert?
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-10 16:10:48: :)
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-10 16:10:45: Welcome
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-10 16:09:07: daniel@ninjaforge.com - I will definitely take a look
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 16:06:58: Welcome Christine!!!
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 15:51:27: I'm in. Robert@Sanzalone.com
Jim Kukral: 2008-11-10 15:50:06: Anyone interested in helping my launch my new consulting/membership site later this week? If so, contact me at jim@jimkukral.com. The affiliate program pays really well.
Hudson Barton: 2008-11-10 14:20:31: Study: iPhone twice as reliable as Blackberry http://www.squaretrade.com/…/SquareTrade_iPhone_Study_1108.pdf
Daniel Chapman: 2008-11-10 12:15:02: http://pleasefixtheiphone.com/
Eric Rice: 2008-11-10 07:13:36: cheers nik
Nik Butler: 2008-11-10 07:13:21: right speaking of monkies I gotta shower and get the family up and get kid to school
Nik Butler: 2008-11-10 07:13:02: I always think its a hoot when Dvorak chimes in on TWIT to remind people that despite all the excitement and wonder , no one really gives a monkies !
Eric Rice: 2008-11-10 07:12:18: heh
Nik Butler: 2008-11-10 07:12:02: Eric, dont you just throw a index card at me <grin>
Nik Butler: 2008-11-10 07:11:50: its called WhiteNoise it will be on itunes later today its a 30 minute Marketing/tech shat wth WireWorldMedia s Andy White. Andy white has been creating podcasts and content like that few years now.
Eric Rice: 2008-11-10 07:11:49: (rain)
Eric Rice: 2008-11-10 07:11:45: ima fly over there and yell at you
Eric Rice: 2008-11-10 07:11:38: you just compared me to dvorak?
Eric Rice: 2008-11-10 07:11:34: oh shit
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 07:10:16: Good luck Nik! Will keep an eye out for it.
Nik Butler: 2008-11-10 07:10:07: ps .. keep up the Push My Follow your the Dvorak of the group and much appreciated for it . hahaha
Nik Butler: 2008-11-10 07:09:34: Will do.
Nik Butler: 2008-11-10 07:09:19: im off to start a new podcast with another Marketing company. they seem to be inviting me in .. for some reason.
Eric Rice: 2008-11-10 07:09:16: but lemme know
Eric Rice: 2008-11-10 07:09:09: i think it's still region dependent so we can't hang
Nik Butler: 2008-11-10 07:08:52: Welll I'll keep you aprised on the Home UK front.
Eric Rice: 2008-11-10 07:08:20: xD
Nik Butler: 2008-11-10 07:08:11: haha Nikky , you know only my Scottish relatives call me that. In scotland im called Nikky and a dialect and tongue so thick and broad I have to use Audacity to slow them down to her whats being said.
Eric Rice: 2008-11-10 07:07:22: that's change you can believe in nikky
Nik Butler: 2008-11-10 07:07:11: it helps that I can see you name in it though ERatIC
Eric Rice: 2008-11-10 07:07:04: the sites and the users, we're 'erratic'
Eric Rice: 2008-11-10 07:06:52: that's my new word for web 2.0 and socmedia stuff
Eric Rice: 2008-11-10 07:06:52: 'erratic'
Eric Rice: 2008-11-10 07:06:41: it's erratic
Nik Butler: 2008-11-10 07:06:40: Yeah go figure .. they make rubbish and profits go gangbusters. they make a few great titles and nearly go belly up ! think the Penny Arcad guys nailed that one.
Eric Rice: 2008-11-10 07:06:31: spore is great on the iphone, so-so on mac/pc and LAME on nintendo DS
Eric Rice: 2008-11-10 07:06:15: spore was a last ditch effort to cling to glory and then the DRM effed it up
Eric Rice: 2008-11-10 07:06:00: unless you're EA but heh, just make a new madden/fifa title
Nik Butler: 2008-11-10 07:05:59: Wasnt it Spore that demonstrated that given any designer feature a user will tend towards genitals.
Eric Rice: 2008-11-10 07:05:49: still recession proof it seems
Eric Rice: 2008-11-10 07:05:40: yup
Nik Butler: 2008-11-10 07:05:12: Well Little Big Penis levels dont help encourage the view that people will play nice. And lets face it the majorty of UDC creators will be 14 year old boys ignoring their homework for an eventing.
Eric Rice: 2008-11-10 07:04:16: smirks.
Eric Rice: 2008-11-10 07:04:12: cuz of that whole 'users are psycho' thing
Eric Rice: 2008-11-10 07:04:06: they are still be stingy with user-generated content
Nik Butler: 2008-11-10 07:03:45: For me if there is a way to market and gift my acheivements and unlocks and bespoke designs from games to other people then they will see a Wow like explosion of interest.
Eric Rice: 2008-11-10 07:02:27: it seems to be doing well for an early sniff of 3D social networking on a trully accessible mass media platform
Nik Butler: 2008-11-10 07:01:59: Im just in a happy buzz because Harry slept through the night. First time EVER ! YAYAYAY
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 07:01:56: Heh.
Nik Butler: 2008-11-10 07:01:34: Robert, np . its what twitters for.
Nik Butler: 2008-11-10 07:01:24: I think theyre doign the smart thing on Home with that though. the tight, tight, tight control and careful release might mean they have some clue about what could screw people up
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 07:01:05: Will have a look. That could be the whole issue there. Thanks Nik!
Nik Butler: 2008-11-10 07:00:43: Yep It covers it since @sizemore uses a Self hosted WP.
Eric Rice: 2008-11-10 07:00:38: i don't think it's something other people can send out invites to
Nik Butler: 2008-11-10 07:00:27: Well they only just announced opening the Beta up in the UK but as usuall theres no clear line of communication as to how you'l get involved in Home UK.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 07:00:22: Ah. That could be the issue. Do you know if it covers self hosted WP? Last I saw, they were "working on it".
Nik Butler: 2008-11-10 06:59:53: Robert you'll need the premium version which handles more platforms.
Eric Rice: 2008-11-10 06:59:49: i have two kidneys, what will I do with a third?
Eric Rice: 2008-11-10 06:59:35: haha
Nik Butler: 2008-11-10 06:59:27: whilst we are talking about playing with things. Eric you know I will sell my right kidney for any early access to HOME right ?
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 06:59:11: Wow. How has your experience been? I'm looking for some mobile blogging solutions and I WANT Lifecaster to work. Can't even get it connected to my blog.. as far as I can see so far anyway.
Nik Butler: 2008-11-10 06:58:49: Have you given Lifecaster a play with then ?
Nik Butler: 2008-11-10 06:58:19: I will poke him for your today . I know that Mike ( @sizemore ) Atherton used LIfecaster to blog the Reuters thing and as a Writer hes picky as hell.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 06:57:56: We've chatted before.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 06:57:40: Hey Nik. Oops. Ya. I thought he was already in here. My bad. Hopefully he'll come in at some point anyway.
Nik Butler: 2008-11-10 06:57:34: hey Eric .
Eric Rice: 2008-11-10 06:57:23: hi nik
Nik Butler: 2008-11-10 06:57:00: Robert, are you just taking a chance hes awake ... I only saw you tweet to him so I assummed he @'d you.
Nik Butler: 2008-11-10 06:55:43: hey Phil. . wanted to drop in and see the answers also. so goodmorning.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 06:55:16: Hey Phil!
Mack D. Male: 2008-11-10 03:47:03: np...good luck!
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 03:46:57: Bingo. Those would be the ones. Couldn't find them anywhere. Thanks!
Mack D. Male: 2008-11-10 03:46:30: thats the feedback room
Mack D. Male: 2008-11-10 03:46:28: http://friendfeed.com/…/friendfeed-feedback
Mack D. Male: 2008-11-10 03:46:21: thats the bug report
Mack D. Male: 2008-11-10 03:46:19: http://friendfeed.com/…/bug
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 03:45:49: These guys should make it way more easier than this.. like start a Get Satisfaction room or something.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 03:45:24: Oh.. hmmm. where?
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 03:45:06: Heh. Right. Just saw that...
Mack D. Male: 2008-11-10 03:45:02: another option would be to write something in the friendfeed feedback room
Mack D. Male: 2008-11-10 03:44:41: you could try to DM him via twitter!
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 03:44:05: Thanks Mack.. I see his profile but have no idea how to send him a direct message unless I comment on his post... hmmm...
Mack D. Male: 2008-11-10 03:41:37: too bad they don't have direct messaging...i would try to send paul a message: http://friendfeed.com/paul
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-10 03:39:38: Anyone know how to send a nasty letter to Friendfeed? I've tried setting up Brightkite and it simply doesn't update unless I manually refresh. Have deleted and re-added and still does the same thing. Argggghhhhh!!!!
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-08 15:44:20: Welcome Rick Martin of CNET China to pacificIT!
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-08 14:47:09: http://www.japaninc.com/mgz_november_2008_one-seg-tv
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-08 14:47:06: Heh. Just discovered this tonight. Thanks Roland.
ANDREW: 2008-11-07 17:30:26: bye
Roland Tanglao: 2008-11-07 17:11:27: in english or japanese or both? cool regardless, congrats, is there a link ? i suggest posting a screenshot of a photo of your article to flickr if there's no link
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-07 16:47:49: Heh. Thanks Mack!
Mack D. Male: 2008-11-07 16:47:12: congrats Robert
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-07 16:31:13: I feel like Steve Martin when he said, "Wow, the new phone book's here! The new phone book's here! My name is in print! Now I'm a somebody!"

Just had my first article printed in a major Japanese magazine. J@pan Inc. Nov. 08. p12. Woohoo!
(sun)
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-05 16:21:58: Thanks for all your help Rich!
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-05 15:29:21: http://flickr.com/…/2999489358/
(wasntme)(flag:jp)
York, Dan: 2008-11-05 15:26:33: Where did you get this external battery? I'm interested!
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-11-05 15:25:36: Thanks Phil. Yes, I live blogged the event with some friends here in Tokyo (back in Nagoya now after a zippy bullet train ride). Chatted with Joi a bit, as well as Loic Le Meur of Seesmic. It was fun having a brief podcast interview with Loic. The conference will continue to be Live Blogged by the others for the second day of conference tomorrow.

A very cool side note, I live blogged the whole thing today with only my iPhone and good friends. It was VERY cool. No laptop at all. I have overcome the power issue but getting a very good external battery for my iPhone which lasted the day. Quite content with it.
Roland Tanglao: 2008-10-31 20:36:53: go japanese free conferences go!
Phil Wolff | Skype Journal | Oakland, California: 2008-10-31 20:22:52: http://www.garage.co.jp/…/program_en.html
Joi Ito: "We're doing our annual Digital Garage New Context Conference again November 5, 6. If you're in Tokyo, please come. It will be fun and it's free."

Venue: Ebisu Garden Hall/Room, Shibuya-ku, Tokyo
Hudson Barton: 2008-10-31 15:17:22: Good luck getting that degree of smoothness out of the folks in Talinen. That would be truly remarkable.
Phil Wolff | Skype Journal | Oakland, California: 2008-10-31 15:15:46: skype could be very interesting if some of the people in a group chat particpate via sms.
Phil Wolff | Skype Journal | Oakland, California: 2008-10-31 15:15:01: personnaly, i'd like sms inlined in skype so i have one inbox and to thread sms conversations
Phil Wolff | Skype Journal | Oakland, California: 2008-10-31 15:14:27: in skype or out of skype, the notification should be different.
Hudson Barton: 2008-10-31 15:04:28: OK. So you don't need SMS in Skype. You just want SMS in the phone to NOT use the same notification sound as a chat notification.
Julian Bond: 2008-10-31 15:00:05: Hudson. It's not about Skype on a mobile supporting SMS. It's about the phone using the same ring/vibrate notification for SMS and for Skype. You need to be able to set the notifications separately. On the 3-Phone they use the same setting.
tatami_no_mushi_dani: 2008-10-31 13:10:14: Any tool with group chats that worked well, i would switch in an instant
Daniel Chapman: 2008-10-31 13:09:50: but chats are critical to my business
Daniel Chapman: 2008-10-31 13:09:39: i rarely ring at all so the voip is useless to me
tatami_no_mushi_dani: 2008-10-31 13:09:27: I just want chats, complete with groups
Hudson Barton: 2008-10-31 13:07:33: Right. Fring, 3 Phone and iScoot share similar problems in chat. The problems are more than mere annoyances. They are critical flaws. Notifications should be able to distinguish between groups and individual chats.

SMS is another thing altogether. Since mobile phones support SMS directly, I don't know why Skype for mobiles should support SMS at all.
Julian Bond: 2008-10-31 11:37:14: One bizarre problem with the 3-phone. You really need a different notification scheme for SMS and Skype chat. The 3-phone shares it so if you are on lots of public chats the phone rings/vibrates all the time as each chat message comes in. Which then means you turn notifications off and don't know that an SMS has come in.
Julian Bond: 2008-10-31 11:35:28: For chat it's all about the UI. There's no particular reason why public chats shouldn't work fine.
Julian Bond: 2008-10-31 11:34:46: There are lots of details but the core issue is that Skype Voip can only really work on wifi or via a normal cell call to central servers. It doesn't feel like phones are going to have enough poke to handle the codecs (maybe) or that 3G can handle the data requirement. 3 have got iSkoot servers and route the call there first. It kind of works but then we get into issues with minutes and billling if it's not a straight phone->skype call. And I'm still not sure that the iSkoot solution scales.
Julian Bond: 2008-10-31 11:31:22: To answer my own question iSkoot is on the Android.
Hudson Barton: 2008-10-31 09:58:54: @Robert   Skype on iPhone may yet happen.   When/If it does, I agree with you that group chat is extremely important.   For that reason alone, the Fring app which "supports" Skype on iPhone is worthless to me.

Wouldn't it be great if Skype on iPhone also supported mute, hold, speakerphone, access to address book, multi-party calling and video calling.   The goal to get all or some of these things into an iPhone app (and an Android app) may explain the delay.

To me, the value of Skype on the desktop is the COMBINATION of features and the high degree of integration.   It will be the same for mobile devices.   Pseudo-Skype applications like Fring are more trouble than they are worth.
Julian Bond: 2008-10-31 07:17:13: Is there a Skype on Android? Or is it iSkoot? Or nothing?
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-10-31 00:48:37: Was just wondering if anyone here gone G1 yet. I'm very interested if the Skype app on Android allows for Skype group chat. So far EVERY Skype client on any of these devices only acknowledge one to one chats (group chats come flooding in but there's no way of knowing who is talking to whom from where). Very frustrating since I'm rarely on the computer anymore. *sigh*.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-10-31 00:46:32: Great discussion. The iPhone has opened so many great and important doors... but has closed the door on Skype (so far). Very frustrating.
Phil Wolff | Skype Journal | Oakland, California: 2008-10-23 17:32:52: it's interesting that you're adopting the burden of relevance over the burden of identity. by fragmenting your publishing you hide the connection of data in one stream with data in another. it's a very common strategy.

another approach is to push the burden of relevance to the consumer of feeds. most feed readers are dumb machines, just presenting an overwhelming spew of data (xobni comes closest and it is Outlook-specific). but relevance is really in the eye of the beholder. for instance while you may choose to partition your content by personal/technology or by skype/not-skype, a consumer may find location more interesting, or your social proximity to someone else who is posting on various topics.

#tagging is a compromise, signalling your a priori perception of what strangers might find #relevant. but you're right, we don't have a good way to manage scale.
Hudson Barton: 2008-10-23 16:49:16: I mean to say..... threshold of inefficiency :)
Hudson Barton: 2008-10-23 16:48:43: See http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/…/will-microblogging-at-work-make-yo&hellip/ This trend will reach its threshold of efficiency very quickly.
Eric Rice: 2008-10-23 16:39:39: social media/networking has produced the highest percentage of armchair sociologists and we barely have, what, 2 people actually trained in sociology maybe?
Eric Rice: 2008-10-23 16:39:02: and we as technologists fail to examine concepts and behaviors and focus on the mechanics and feature lists?
Eric Rice: 2008-10-23 16:38:22: over and over and over again
Eric Rice: 2008-10-23 16:38:15: new shiny ---> quaint nostalgia
Eric Rice: 2008-10-23 16:38:09: isn't that the cycle tho
TheTechMonkey: 2008-10-23 13:55:19: Hudson, I'd have to agree with you all the way, I have a feeling, a year or two down the road, they're be a toy web x.x toy for all of us
Hudson Barton: 2008-10-23 13:19:20: I don't understand how people can follow more than about 20 active Twitterers.   For me, old guy that I am, when the # of twits goes above about 100 per day, I just can't follow it.    The older ones scroll out of view and there is nothing that compels me to go looking for them.    When I do scoll back, there is too much noise, and stuff that does not interest me is mixed randomly in the feed.   I guess I"m suffering from information overload because of the dozens of information sources I try to monitor.

More and more, I'm drawn to aggregators, "rooms", and "feeds" where the people are known to me and the subject matter is known also.    A Skype public chat for example.

With respect to Twitter and other social media, I'm learning that it's better to create multiple accounts if you twitter about more than one subject.   People just don't want to read twitters that stray from the expected subject.    I realize this defeats the whole purpose of social media, but my point is that I don't know of any social media that scale well.   It's only going to get worse as Twitter and Facebook grow, and as commercial entities start to use them.   It's time to rethink.
Allan Herman (CVM Inc): 2008-10-23 05:00:42: Night all, take care where ever you may be!
Allan Herman (CVM Inc): 2008-10-23 04:33:45: Okay, I give. You guys are finally making me jealouse with your iPhones and all the goodies.
Andrew Shuttleworth: 2008-10-23 04:13:29: Yeah. Nice to see them giving access to the technology beyond those devices as well.
Phil Wolff | Skype Journal | Oakland, California: 2008-10-23 03:18:25: andrew, iskoot makes the software and gateways behind the 3 Skypephone.
Andrew Shuttleworth: 2008-10-23 02:15:09: Interesting app here for Skype on Windows Mobile, Android and other mobile devices http://www.iskoot.com/skype.php
Jim Graham: 2008-10-21 17:53:40: Interesting. I've got Fring loaded on my iPhone. I'm surprised Skype doesn't have an iPhone app.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-10-21 13:55:47: I simply waiting for either Skype to loosen the reigns to allow someone to put this together, or someone to find a hole in the dike to break through.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-10-21 13:55:08: Totally cool with me though. It's based on the people, not just the vehicle. If this is where it's easiest to access (until there is a better app with a better UI), then I will still with the group.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-10-21 13:54:14: I agree Hudson.. and yes, the call HASN'T made a dent.
Hudson Barton: 2008-10-21 13:52:14: The call to abandon Skype for Chatterous appears not to have made much of a dent in this chat, and it certainly hasn't made much of a dent in Skype.   Skype has added more than a million new real users since that call was made on October 8th.

As for directory, my Skype directory is now fully integrated with my Mac's address book.    Can't say that about Twitter or Plurk or Facebook or MySpace or Friendfeed, or..... you name it.

I have Fring on my iPhone and just hate it (because of the UI).   Tries to do too many things and all of them are done poorly.

I predicted that skype was coming to the iPhone a year ago, and I stick to that prediction....only now it's much closer.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-10-21 13:49:52: I had a great conversation with my family back in Vancouver for about an hour using Fring and SIP. It was great.. and they are really picky about phone quality.. they don't like being used for "experiments"
:P
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-10-21 13:48:55: Right. That was a Steve promise to the carriers.
York, Dan: 2008-10-21 13:48:48: I have Fring on my iPhone... just haven't set it up yet.
York, Dan: 2008-10-21 13:48:37: (Yep on only being able to use it over WiFi)
York, Dan: 2008-10-21 13:48:12: Yep
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-10-21 13:47:58: Talking to Skype NOT using Skype Out and using my pacificIT VOIP account on Fring just rocks on the iPhone... though you have to be on Wi-Fi and not your carrier.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-10-21 13:46:57: Fring brought me back to IM... with both SIP and Skype Out access... it just can't do groups.
York, Dan: 2008-10-21 13:46:26: On the issue of iPhone apps, what iPhone app have you been using for Jabber/XMPP?
York, Dan: 2008-10-21 13:46:10: Agreed.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-10-21 13:46:02: Interesting... but very true. Just have been so impressed with the iPhone in so many ways. This is THE most important app missing from it.. jailbroken or not.
York, Dan: 2008-10-21 13:45:28: No, "Directory" meaning "contact list".
York, Dan: 2008-10-21 13:45:16: People have built up a list of contacts on Skype... it's hard to leave that directory.

I mean... look at the large multi-day outage a few years back... when it was over everyone came right back to Skype.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-10-21 13:44:59: Directory meaning everyone has an accessable ID?
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-10-21 13:44:27: I agree... though many are starting to find their "own niches". Blogburst, for example, just made the announcement they've made a deal with Plurk.. which will change who uses Plurk and why.
York, Dan: 2008-10-21 13:44:12: They also have the *directory*.
York, Dan: 2008-10-21 13:44:05: Yes, Skype has made simplicity and usability part of their core.
Robert Sanzalone: 2008-10-21 13:43:24: Totally agree Dan. Chatterous has a lot to offer, particularly with Jabber (thus easy access from the iPhone), but it's just TOO MANY ways to access a chat service. Skype is simply a client people at almost any level can comprehend and use. Dead simple is always best.
York, Dan: 2008-10-21 13:43:10: It's why I personally don't see many of the new "social networks" taking off... some will succeed... but in most cases the conversation is already happening on sites like Facebook and MySpace.
York, Dan: 2008-10-21 13:42:08: It's a question of bringing the conversation to where people already are.
York, Dan: 2008-10-21 13:41:34: Robert, I saw your Identi.ca status saying that it will take a while to wean people off Skype:

http://identi.ca/…/869492

I don't personally see that happening. I think people might *add* Chatterous, but the reality is that Skype is where a ton of people already are.
Allan Herman (CVM Inc): 2008-10-21 04:45:33: Thank you for the update Robert. as for the Iphone, when Rogers provides an affordable plan I am in, menawhile I get far more bang for my buck at Bell with my HTC Touch in respect to usage fees.
Julian Bond: 2008-10-16 13:35:20: Google Profiles. Give it one URL that contains microformat links to other profiles and it find them all.
Julian Bond: 2008-10-13 14:55:19: oh... wait...
Julian Bond: 2008-10-13 14:55:06: As for that OLOs thing. Isn't there a potential Apple product in there? The direct equivalent of the big WinME ultraportable. An Apple branded Ultraportable with a real keyboard and screen but that only runs iPhone-OSX, not full OSX.
Julian Bond: 2008-10-13 14:53:18: Just feels like a perfect marriage. The laptop has power and speakers. iPods tend to be plugged into USB ports all day long anyway. No point in having a music library on the laptop hard disk when it's already on the iPod.
Julian Bond: 2008-10-13 14:50:26: Hmmm. eeePC modding. Maybe I can build a broken iPod into it. With duct tape.
Daniel Chapman: 2008-10-13 14:50:08: make the ipod smaller!
Julian Bond: 2008-10-13 14:49:19: Actually an iPod dock in a laptop seems like a really good idea. Except the big question is physically where to put it.
Julian Bond: 2008-10-13 14:48:02: Things to build into laptops. An Iphone dock. http://www.crunchgear.com/…/olos-iphone-powered-computer-a-red&hellip/
Julian Bond: 2008-10-13 09:43:26: And artificial or bio-engineered chlorophyll may give us cheap carbon-neutral fuel.
Julian Bond: 2008-10-13 09:42:44: On the upside nano-materials technology and bio-engineering seem to be accelerating. Cheap BuckyPaper may give us another factor of 10 in battery storage.
Julian Bond: 2008-10-13 09:41:10: So much of it comes down to .... #$@#@ electricity. plentiful supplies of electricity solves an awful lot of problems.
York, Dan: 2008-10-13 09:29:18: So much of it comes down to .... #$@#@ batteries.
Julian Bond: 2008-10-13 07:15:27: Arguably as more and more computing moves to the cloud, a 1.6Ghz Atom should be more than enough power. For battery life we probably need better auto-sleep.
Julian Bond: 2008-10-13 07:12:51: "how long before moore's law delivers multicore mobiles with a week of active battery". Battery life, weight, performance. Choose 2.
Julian Bond: 2008-10-13 07:12:06: Then there's the ultra-notebooks. eeePC, MSI Wind etc.
Phil Wolff | Skype Journal | Oakland, California: 2008-10-13 02:47:53: fashion and lifestyle building on a high-function baseline
Phil Wolff | Skype Journal | Oakland, California: 2008-10-13 02:46:48: once they do, i expect design of ui and form factor to be the differentors.
Phil Wolff | Skype Journal | Oakland, California: 2008-10-13 02:45:53: right now the gap is one of engineering, as nokia et al try to fit more battery, cpu, memory, storage, bandwidth, display, and other services into your hand. i don't know how long before moore's law delivers multicore mobiles with a week of active battery; three years? five?
ANDREW: 2008-10-13 00:42:51: i've been hearing people say that in the future the cell phone and laptop will be one
ANDREW: 2008-10-13 00:42:05: oh
Phil Wolff | Skype Journal | Oakland, California: 2008-10-12 15:37:31: the question is which laptop apps would use location in presence or geomaths.

Skype could update your profile, sort contacts by some blend of social and physical proximity.

Gmail could sort inboxen by proximity. Audio/video capture tools, like those that record Skype calls, could geocode image, video, sound files.

Yelp, Upcoming and other recommendations could check if your updated location was different than the location you have on file, and offer you a choice of relevant search results or alternative profiles (home/work/school/other).

As Google voice products come online, the PC based ones could use location to populate fresh e911 data.
Andrew Shuttleworth: 2008-10-12 13:54:32: I've been thinking about GPS in laptops too. It's something in theory I'd want, but in reality I can't imagine many usage scenarios unless it was a UMPC or at most B5 AND with great battery life (i.e. at least 8 hours)
ANDREW: 2008-10-12 09:28:31: kk
Julian Bond: 2008-10-12 09:26:45: The older I get, the faster I was.
Eric Rice: 2008-10-11 20:35:23: i wish i was a little bit taller i wish i a baller i wish i had a girl and a '64 impala
Julian Bond: 2008-10-11 20:15:46: cos every day we're getting a little bit older and a little bit wiser
Phil Wolff | Skype Journal | Oakland, California: 2008-10-11 17:27:50: I'd also build a traditional laptop designed for older people. More tactile response on keys, bigger default sizes for fonts and things you grab, fewer distracting visual elements in the OS, keyboard buttons and mouse settings designed for people with less precise manual dextetrity, trackball vs. mouse.
Phil Wolff | Skype Journal | Oakland, California: 2008-10-11 17:21:53: @julian if i was trying for laptop consumer appeal in the next few years...
+1 on gps and bluetooth. i'd look at form factors that were closer to a blackberry (sub-umpc) but with projectors for display and keyboard. so you can carry something a little heavier than an iphone but "dock" with a blank wall and clear desk to work.
Jim Graham: 2008-10-11 10:27:05: I finally broke down and bought an iPhone (after losing my three year old non-bluetooth phone. My favorite app so far is Yelp. Takes advantage of knowing your location to tell me local places to eat. Yes, I know "Welcome to the 21st Century."
Daniel Chapman: 2008-10-11 10:10:15: and android
Daniel Chapman: 2008-10-11 10:10:10: with smart phones and iphone
Daniel Chapman: 2008-10-11 10:10:03: they already effectively absorbed PDAs
Daniel Chapman: 2008-10-11 10:09:55: phones and laptops are getting closer and closer
Julian Bond: 2008-10-11 06:16:12: In a small, light, low power case of course.
Julian Bond: 2008-10-11 06:12:55: The point is that over the last few years, more and more gets built into laptops. eg Wifi, >1MP cameras. Top end phones now have bluetooth and GPS. So when will all laptops have 3G, Bluetooth (A2DP), GPS, Gigabit Ethernet jacks, 802.11N, 320/500Gb disks. 8Gb Ram. And then what?
Eric Rice: 2008-10-10 16:20:43: holographic projects
York, Dan: 2008-10-10 10:50:29: And a teleportation device, please.
Julian Bond: 2008-10-10 08:06:33: Why don't all laptops include GPS? And Bluetooth.
York, Dan: 2008-10-09 20:36:26: Fring?
York, Dan: 2008-10-09 20:36:25: Robert, since you were/are a hardcore iPhone fan, what's the best way to interact with Skype on the iPhone?
Hudson Barton: 2008-10-09 16:26:58: So, Phil's argument is that the end of the golden age is marked by the advent of iPhone, Pelosi, and Sarkozy... the retirement of Bush, Harry Potter and the Skype founders... the rewarding of Al Gore... and the prurient wondering about pubescent Chinese gymnasts.    It's a plausible conspiracy theory. :)

Speaking of the passage of ages, I'm not sure the timing of a move away from Skype chat toward Chatterous is not precisely at the moment that Skype is going mobile in a big way. That would be ironic.   But even if it's not true, then I question whether it is progress to roll communication into a medium that is text only and away from one that has features that are too many to mention, including the most obvious ones; voice and video.

Incidentally, doing a group skype chat , public skype chat, or even individual skype chat on an iPhone is not technically impossible even if Skype never produces the software. Chat Publisher already handles the skype-to-web interface.   Doing an email-to-skype interface is a similarly simple utility to write (server based). The trouble is that nobody wants to pay for these things.   Chatterous itself is really just a charity. So is Twitter and almost every other social gizmo out there.   How long does everyone expect these services to continue without a business model?   Even if you were willing to pay for it, would you continue to be so willing if Skype produced an app for the iPhone? Of course not. Skype and iPhone have business models and it's just a matter of time before they get around to implementing social features such as group chat and voice conferencing into the mobile space.
Phil Wolff | Skype Journal | Oakland, Californ